{"id":4975,"date":"2020-05-17T13:38:18","date_gmt":"2020-05-17T13:38:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/smash-ultimate-cut-evo-online-shake-nintendo-attitudes"},"modified":"2024-07-19T12:38:34","modified_gmt":"2024-07-19T12:38:34","slug":"smash-ultimate-cut-evo-online-shake-nintendo-attitudes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/en\/smash-ultimate-cut-evo-online-shake-nintendo-attitudes","title":{"rendered":"If Smash Ultimate\u2019s cut from EVO Online doesn&#8217;t shake Nintendo\u2019s attitudes, nothing will"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Nintendo isn&rsquo;t exactly known for sticking with the crowd. Despite innovating with Joy-Cons or motion remotes to decimate living room valuables, they are stubbornly old fashioned in their refusal to offer online services and graphical capabilities up with modern standards.<\/p>\n<div id=\"traffective-ad-Content_1_394888\" style=\"display: none;\" class=\"Content_1\"><\/div>\n<div id=\"traffective-ad-Content_1_312189\" style=\"display: none;\" class=\"Content_1\"><\/div>\n<div id=\"traffective-ad-Content_1_120382\" style=\"display: none;\" class=\"Content_1\"><\/div>\n<p>As Nintendo&rsquo;s continued success proves, this alternate approach isn&rsquo;t detrimental to them. In fact, they&rsquo;ve carved out a niche entirely their own. The Switch isn&rsquo;t where you go to play <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/en\/call-of-duty\/call-of-duty-league-developer-community\">Call of Duty<\/a> or Overwatch, for many it&rsquo;s a secondary machine for Nintendo exclusives and indies which can be easily enjoyed handheld while burning downtime on commutes.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The yearn for robust online functionality, while always present, hasn&rsquo;t exactly been necessary to fulfil the ambitions of Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon 2, for example. The Super Smash Bros. series however has always been the outlier in the case for Nintendo pushing for better online; a game where the smallest dip in connections can throw an entire match.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>It&rsquo;s also the only Nintendo title which has cultivated an enormous esports presence. In 2020, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is the biggest fighting game in the world &#8211; attracting thousands of viewers and earning, originally, the headline spot at EVO 2020 over Tekken and Street Fighter.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div data-oembed-url=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=_l63vlqhGMI\">\n<div style=\"left: 0; width: 100%; height: 0; position: relative; padding-bottom: 56.25%;\"><iframe allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen=\"\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/_l63vlqhGMI?rel=0\" style=\"border: 0; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%; height: 100%; position: absolute;\" tabindex=\"-1\" srcdoc=\"&lt;style&gt;*{padding:0;margin:0;overflow:hidden}html,body{height:100%}img,span{position:absolute;width:100%;top:0;bottom:0;margin:auto}span{height:1.5em;text-align:center;font:48px\/1.5 sans-serif;color:white;text-shadow:0 0 0.5em black}&lt;\/style&gt;&lt;a href=https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/_l63vlqhGMI?autoplay=1&gt;&lt;img src=https:\/\/img.youtube.com\/vi\/_l63vlqhGMI\/hqdefault.jpg alt='YouTube video thumbnail'&gt;&lt;span&gt;&#9654;&lt;\/span&gt;&lt;\/a&gt;\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s pretty incredible then, in&nbsp;what&rsquo;s become a trend for 2020, to see the script so dramatically flipped within the space of a few months. After a switch to an online tournament in light of the coronavirus pandemic, EVO has <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/en\/fighting-games\/evo-online-lineup-tournaments-and-dates-revealed\">decided to drop Super Smash Bros. Ultimate altogether<\/a> from the line-up, presumably due to the game&rsquo;s painful and unreliable net play.<\/p>\n<p>You might think the community would be up in arms&nbsp;but their response felt&nbsp;akin to the passing of a long-suffering relative &#8211; exhausted relief.<\/p>\n<p>Months of online tournaments have seen top players like Leonardo &ldquo;MkLeo&rdquo; Lopez struggle to rank high due to the&nbsp;hurdles from&nbsp;online play. It&rsquo;s even changed the approach from TO&rsquo;s too, with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/en\/smash-ultimate\/smash-ultimate-quarantine-series-organisers-new-rules\">rules recently adjusted in the Quarantine Series<\/a> to emphasise fun over serious competitive bouts.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div data-oembed-url=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Samsora_\/status\/1260792123307241473\"><twitter-widget class=\"twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered\" id=\"twitter-widget-0\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: block; transform: rotate(0deg); width: 500px; margin: 10px auto; max-width: 100%; min-width: 220px;\"><\/twitter-widget><\/p>\n<blockquote align=\"center\" class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-dnt=\"true\" data-twitter-extracted-i1589728353284662836=\"true\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">I can sleep in peace knowing that Smash is not at Evo online<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; eU Samsora (@Samsora_) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Samsora_\/status\/1260792123307241473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">May 14, 2020<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async=\"\" charset=\"utf-8\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\"><\/script><\/div>\n<div data-oembed-url=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Maister_SSB\/status\/1260958515499327489\"><twitter-widget class=\"twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered\" id=\"twitter-widget-1\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: block; transform: rotate(0deg); width: 500px; margin: 10px auto; max-width: 100%; min-width: 220px;\"><\/twitter-widget><\/p>\n<blockquote align=\"center\" class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-dnt=\"true\" data-twitter-extracted-i1589728353284662836=\"true\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">Woke up to no Ultimate at EVO Online and to a new Paper Mario that looks really promising. What else could I ask for? <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/GmCRBYmhi1\">pic.twitter.com\/GmCRBYmhi1<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; SSG Maister (@Maister_SSB) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Maister_SSB\/status\/1260958515499327489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">May 14, 2020<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async=\"\" charset=\"utf-8\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\"><\/script><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div data-oembed-url=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BestNess_\/status\/1260872777734647809\"><twitter-widget class=\"twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered\" id=\"twitter-widget-2\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: block; transform: rotate(0deg); width: 500px; margin: 10px auto; max-width: 100%; min-width: 220px;\"><\/twitter-widget><\/p>\n<blockquote align=\"center\" class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-dnt=\"true\" data-twitter-extracted-i1589728353284662836=\"true\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">0% surprised about no Smash at EVO. Probably was never gonna happen, but the way people were complaining about it probably didn&rsquo;t help.<\/p>\n<p>Luckily we have such a great community I&rsquo;m sure someone will run a replacement event. Who knows, maybe I&rsquo;ll do it &#129309;&#127942;<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Armada | Spencer (@BestNess_) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BestNess_\/status\/1260872777734647809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">May 14, 2020<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async=\"\" charset=\"utf-8\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\"><\/script><\/div>\n<p>While pro players might be relieved over the decision, it&rsquo;s sad that it&rsquo;s come to this at all. From 2020&rsquo;s outset, there&rsquo;s been a strong drive from the community to connect with Nintendo &#8211; with player Juan &ldquo;Hungrybox&rdquo; Debiedma <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/en\/super-smash-bros-melee\/hungrybox-plea-nintendo-smash-summit\">pleading for better support at Smash Summit 9<\/a>, while a recent <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/en\/smash-ultimate\/smash-bros-ultimate-players-urge-nintendo-fix-online\">Twitter rally which trended worldwide<\/a> asked them to #FixUltimateOnline.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Both of these cases yielded no response from Nintendo, who have <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kotaku.com.au\/2020\/01\/nintendos-president-explains-its-reluctance-to-fund-smash-bros-tournament-prizes\/\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">explained previously<\/a> how they don&rsquo;t share the &ldquo;worldview&rdquo; of offering cash prizes at tournaments. Ultimate&rsquo;s drop from EVO Online however feels like the loudest alarm bell Nintendo could ever receive from the Smash community, at a time when they&rsquo;re fighting for sustained support.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Nintendo&rsquo;s ambitions with Smash clearly never involved a competitive circuit, but ignoring its existence feels very short-sighted. The popularity of esports is growing year after year, and Smash Ultimate&rsquo;s accessibility in mechanics, presentation and the viewing experience has all the potential to rival, and supersede, the biggest esport titans today.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Read more: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/en\/smash-ultimate\/super-smash-bros-ultimate-fighters-pass-rumours-and-leaks\">Who will be in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate&#8217;s Fighters Pass 2? Latest rumours and leaks<\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Competitive Smash will continue to grow without Nintendo&rsquo;s backing,&nbsp;but as it does, Nintendo will be ignoring an increasing portion of its fan base. We throw around words like &ldquo;community&rdquo; as shorthand for the hardcore audience, but these are simply devout fans who have taken Smash to a new level Nintendo&nbsp;never thought possible &#8211; why wouldn&rsquo;t they reward or support that?&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Smash Bros. Ultimate community\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn-cf.ginx.tv\/imgcdn\/SBoaByqpcQ8zKBMTtOW7arKFcXYx4VLj5oVpZLQlF9I\/rs:fill:0:0:1\/g:ce\/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ2lueC50di91cGxvYWRzL3NtYXNoX2Jyb3NfdWx0aW1hdGVfY29tbXVuaXR5X25ldy5qcGc\" style=\"width: 600px; height: 338px;\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" loading=\"lazy\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size:11px;\">Will Nintendo ever listen to the Smash community?&nbsp;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;&#8203;(Picture: Nintendo)&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>It doesn&rsquo;t feel like anyone is holding out hope though, even with a bunch of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/en\/smash-ultimate\/super-smash-bros-ultimate-fighters-pass-rumours-and-leaks\">new DLC fighters<\/a> inbound. Nintendo is still primarily a toy company at heart, and nothing has changed behind-the-scenes to give reason they would start listening to the hardcore contingent of Ultimate&rsquo;s huge&nbsp;consumer base.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>There&rsquo;s a sense the Smash pro community knows this too. Before the pandemic took hold, VGBootCamp took matters into their own hands by announcing the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/en\/smash-ultimate\/smash-world-tour-2020-delay-extended\">Smash World Tour<\/a>&nbsp;2020 which boasted the biggest prize pool&nbsp;Smash had ever seen. What was supposed to be a new beginning for competitive Smash has been washed with frustration due to the pandemic, with events up until June cancelled or postponed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Depending if the company makes any attempt to salvage good will from EVO&rsquo;s decision, 2020 might go down as the year the Smash community stops hoping for Nintendo&rsquo;s support altogether. If what they&rsquo;ve achieved against subpar online services and no financial backing proves anything though, the scene will find a way to survive without it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"embed-title\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ginx.tv\/en\/esports-in-less-than-3-minutes\/smash-vs-the-fgc\" style=\"font-size: 22px; text-decoration: none; cursor: pointer; color: grey; font-weight: bold;\" target=\"_blank\">Smash vs. the FGC: Why Nintendo won&#8217;t Support the Community<\/a><iframe loading=\"lazy\" allowfullscreen=\"\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"368px\" scrolling=\"no\" src=\"\/embed-player\/493\" width=\"100%\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nintendo isn&rsquo;t exactly known for sticking with the crowd. 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